London Bridge has always been one of the critical stations on the Thameslink Programme and one that has caused a lot of problems. Firstly, the need to serve it meant alterations to Borough Market which did not universally go down well. Much time was spent in the original consultation process trying to get the message across that it was necessary to access South London via London Bridge, because that is where people wanted to travel to and because the Elephant and Castle route with its flat junctions at Herne Hill and Tulse Hill was simply unworkable for the number of trains involved. Then, at the first public enquiry, the Inspector recommended rejection of the proposals until they were suitably amended, with one of the reasons being that he thought a critical landmark station such as London Bridge should be planned properly and rebuilt, rather than have cobbled-together alterations to accommodate the extra services.
London Bridge was always regarded as one of the most difficult parts of the Thameslink Programme to implement, and originally work was planned to start there early in the construction schedule. For various reasons, however, it was decided to tackle the job in two phases and it was also argued that it was madness to prioritise London Bridge which could already handle 12 car trains in preference to much needed re-building at Blackfriars and Farringdon. In effect, therefore, the biggest bit got saved until last. This revised schedule was probably sensible and more manageable, but it has contributed to the time taken to complete the project. The changes will be massive and, as railway engineers rightly never fail to remind us, they have to rebuild the station whilst the railway continues to run.
Work will start in 2013. From the December 2012 timetable the number of terminating platforms will be reduced from nine to six and the number of terminating trains per hour will accordingly be reduced from 30 to 24. It could have been worse. The number of platforms is reduced by a third but the train service is only reduced by a fifth. Through trains will not initially be affected. It is well known that two trains per hours lost will be the lightly loaded London Bridge -Victoria via Peckham Rye service which will partially compensated for by the introduction of London Overground services to Clapham Junction at the same time. It is not currently known which other services will need to be cut. One only hopes that this service does continue until December 2012 and is not discontinued from May 2012 as originally planned, when it was presumed that phase 2 of the East London Line Extension would be opened by then. The supplied leaflets talk about putting more carriages on the remaining trains to mitigate the problem, but whereas overall this may not lead to much loss of capacity it is clear that some selected routes, as yet unknown, are going to suffer.
Initially work will be carried out on the terminating platforms. It would seem that this will take until 2015 when the six new terminating platforms will be complete. It would appear that by 2015 work will then have started on the through lines and it will almost certainly be necessary to divert all Thameslink services via Elephant and Castle for a prolonged period starting around this time. It would seem that the only sensible way of working is to start at the southern platforms and work northwards, hence the need to start on the terminating platforms. Whilst this is going on the station needs to be rebuilt. It is noticeable that no-one has ever suggested that the current station has sufficient architectural merit for it to be retained.
At this point, we would have liked to describe the changes with plans made available for the forthcoming exhibition, but these were not yet available and we will need to revisit.
There are some diagrams available via the Thameslink Programme, but an uncharitable soul might suggest that the Programme has a history of producing pretty diagrams that aren't always quite as accurate as they could be, and the current documentation seems to continue that tradition. Given that the source for many of these is in fact Network Rail themselves (as is the case with the diagram below), this sometimes seems rather strange.
Let us try and look at the future platform arrangement. Your challenge is to try and work out how to make any sense of this diagram:

One of the tenets of Thameslink is that trains are sorted out long before they reach London Bridge - especially from the east - so the terminating tracks should be separate from through tracks with white space between the two. We now look at the nine through platforms. It is obvious something is wrong with the diagram's colour scheme in relation to the four bottom blue lines, but I am baffled as to what the colours should be. Finally the diagram seems to show a single track serving Cannon Street, four tracks brightly highlighted in red serving Thameslink (there will be two), and four serving Charing Cross (correct). Furthermore, I understand that the northernmost platform (1 or A) will be a single-sided platform with 2 and 3 (or B and C) an island platform and so on, whereas this diagram suggests that this is not how they will be arranged.
One would like to think that there would be other diagrams or plans to clarify things. So lets look at another diagram.
This one is far more useful, although it does have a number of bizarre features. The track layout looks rather like a marshalling yard. To orientate you, the road to the east of the Shipwrights Arms going approximately south is Bermondsey Street. The railway is on a viaduct at this point and in reality is about twelve tracks wide. Joiner Street appears to be a road, whereas it is the former road that is now a revamped passageway for those on foot in a similar way to how Stainer Street will be treated. Unfortunately the map does not mention Weston Street which (like Stainer St) is currently a road which runs underneath the arches, slightly to the east of Stainer St, but it looks like this will be subsumed into the concourse. So if in future they need to close Borough High Street at any time it looks like it will be a long diversion for drivers.
It is clear that one of the great improvements will be the much larger circulating area which will be at street level. One can get some idea of the massive width by taking a walk through the Stainer St, although I would not really recommend it as it is not the most pleasant of experiences. The new entrances to the south make a lot of sense when you see how close they are to the Shard. What does seem rather unsatisfactory is that it seems that the underground station is going to be further away from the main line station concourse, meaning an awful lot of people are going to have a less convenient interchange.
If you want to find our more I suggest you visit London Bridge Station between Tuesday 17th May to Friday 20th May between 8 am and 7pm or on Saturday 21st May between 8 am and 2 pm and ask questions and try and get the people there to clarify what is happening. We at LR intend to visit, so hopefully next week we will be able to explain a bit better what will happen at London Bridge as well.
While good to see improvements. this will move the main access to London Bridge a fair way East, lengthening some commutes. Maybe there should be thought given to opening a station between London Bridge and Waterloo East ("Bankside" at Southwark Bridge Road) to compensate?
ReplyDelete"It is noticeable that no-one has ever suggested that the current station has sufficient architectural merit for it to be retained." - actually I think I did see an article somewhere (Private Eye?) arguing that the wrought iron supporting the platform roof had some merit and should be kept.
ReplyDeleteI think that the aforementioned ironwork is actually grade II listed and will be removed rather than destroyed. I was thinking more of the station concourse and especially how the station looks from the outside. Iconic it is not.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, have you noticed how much nicer and brighter the railway station is now that the bus station roof is destroyed ?
My understanding is that there's to be three platforms for Cannon St, 2 for Thameslink and 4 for Charing Cross. Therefore there's a mistake on the 'Proposed' diagram if the dark blue lines are taken as platform edges: There should be one more at the top and one less at the bottom. The red lines then need to be thinner and close to the platform 4&5 island.
ReplyDeleteThe Northernmost terminating platform looks pretty short. I wonder if this is just the diagram?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said.. 16 May 2011 15:25
ReplyDeleteMy understanding is the same as yours!
Somebody didn't check this drawing very carefully.
Regarding the preservation of the Grade II listed trainshed, I gather that some influential people are looking for a suitable home. One suggestion is reportedly Stratford-on-Avon for the centre arch without the side wings. However, Network Rail is arguing that it would be (a) cheaper and (b) quicker not to bother with dismantling it carefully, so unless there is a concerted campaign the philistines may get it delisted and destroyed. That would be a shame, as it is the only bit of the station left with any degree of architectural merit, mirroring the LB&SCR shed at Brighton which has been treated rather better.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why you've said there's nothing on Network Rail's website, they've had a new page on London Bridge since April 20th at http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/TRANSFORMATION-OF-LONDON-BRIDGE-ANNOUNCED-1722/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx . It includes lots of images of the new station and details of the plans for London Bridge.
ReplyDeleteSorry. Sloppy writing. I was aware of the Network Rail site but it doesn't really tell us what is happening or going to happen. It just shows us preety pictures of how it will look from the outside when it is complete. And crucially it doesn't tell us about the exhibition where we can find out. Allegedly.
ReplyDeleteOne has to wonder, with all these street level entrances and so on, how they will manage to put a gateline between them all and the wonderful lifts and escalators to all the platforms.
ReplyDelete@Paul
ReplyDeleteBy the time this is finally finished we will all have RF chips embedded in our arms that act like Oyster cards, so no need for a gate-line
Surely withdrawing the South London Line service before the introduction of the Overground to Clapham Junction would leave Clapham High Street and Wandsworth Road stations unserved from May-December next year?
ReplyDeleteThat would be a real issue for people travelling to those stations from SE London. I can't believe that Southern would (or would be allowed to) do this?
The first diagrma is disgracefully WRONG. Obvious that no-one at all did any checking.
ReplyDeleteAs for UndergounD access, (some of)the current escalators come out almost under the West end of the trough platforms.
One assumes these will remain, as relatively direct access to said through platforms.
It is already a LONG way to the terminating ex-LBSC platforms.
One good thing - I assume the ghastly glossy-tiled "toilet block" on the site of the old highest-numbered platforms will go?
As for no architectural merit, I'm sending "dragondark" a picture I took recently - perhaps he'll put it up!
The exhibition and consultation are referred to at http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/12188.aspx, together with a link to the consultation leaflet.
ReplyDeleteWith the new concourse apparently being below the platforms, does that mean that the terminal platforms will be raised to through-platform level?
Yes I became aware of the Network Rail site but it was put up after I had written the article. I did leave a comment to update the situation but there seems to be a peculiar bug I have sometimes experienced with comments here whereby if you post two different comments in succession the second seems to disappear as soon as someone else posts a subsequent one.
ReplyDeleteIt's blogger's new "spam filter" - annoyingly there doesn't seem to be a way to whitelist commentors.
ReplyDeleteI'll have a look in the admin - should be able to restore it.
Took a small detour by London Bridge specifically to see the exhibition, but have to report Mission Failure - I couldn't find it. Has anyone had more success?
ReplyDeleteColourful schematics that don't actually explain the track layout in detail are a feature of NR's PR.
ReplyDeleteAlthough out of the London area, exactly the same criticisms were levelled at NR's Reading station exhibition - the graphics were completely useless...
anon @ 0831.
ReplyDeleteFrom the second drawing, there will still be an upper concourse at the end of the terminating platforms, this is the current concourse area, which is one level above the surrounding streets, so will be a mezzanine level between street and through platforms (as now really - but maybe integrated with the Shard's entrance floor).
anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteTook a small detour by London Bridge specifically to see the exhibition, but have to report Mission Failure - I couldn't find it.
I expect it is like the planning information in Hitch Hikers Guide.
Related to the London Bridge mystery, are there any plans out there for the new Bermondsey Diveunder?
ReplyDeleteAlso, Bermondsey Diveunder will shift the Thameslink tracks towards the north of the viaduct, so they run past the old platforms of Spa Road Bermondsey and Southwark stations. These closed many many years ago, but with the prospect of trains through central London and beyond, rather than just Cannon St services, might there be a case for reopening? Is any provision made for this in the Bermondsey Diveunder plans?
anon @ 1258
ReplyDeleteThe Thameslink tracks won't be on the north of the layout through Bermondsey, they'll be in between the 3 tracks into Cannon St and the 4 into Charing Cross. Past Spa Rd they'll almost certainly be lines 4 and 5 of about 12 in total.
The exhibition is on the station concourse to the right of the escalators leading down from platforms 7-16 to the Tube
ReplyDeleteIf you fancy a trip down Stainer Street without falling off of the pavement then may I reccomend this weekend (21/22 May) when Borough High Street is shut and all local buses are diverted through here Northbound.
ReplyDeleteThere are eleven tracks on the viaduct as a far as Spa Road, and twelve thereafter. The station had faces on tracks 1,2,3 and 4 (counting from the north) so down Thameslink trains would have a platform face but up ones would not. However, the Jubilee Line now provides the stopping service in the area - Rotherhithe station is just round the corner) so the chances of Spa Road reopening are slim.
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't follow about the plans is the provision for Charing Cross services - at present there are four tracks to Borough Market, two thence to London Bridge station (shared with Thameslink), and then our at the station itself, (again shared with Thameslink and including the little-used track with no platform next to platform 6). Beyond that there are seven tracks for SE and Thameslink services, roughly corresponding to the seven through tracks at the station, and four or Central services.
Afterwards, CX will still only have two tracks at Borough Market, but no longer shared with Thameslink. It will then have four at London Bridge station - why? beyond London Bridge, with three for Cannon Street and two for Thameslink, that only leaves six for all Charing Cross and South Central services - will CX have only two of these? That seems likely as
1. the Central needs to keep the diverging routes for Tulse Hill and Forest Hill apart
2. the CX lines will have to fit in the diveunder (which will use the old access ramp to Bricklayers Arms).
It could get crowded in that diveunder - the old London Connections site suggest that the down slow Forest Hill line, and a connection from the South Eastern up slow through New Cross to the up Thameslink line, could also use it.
timbeau said...
ReplyDelete" CX will still only have two tracks at Borough Market, but no longer shared with Thameslink. It will then have four at London Bridge station - why? "
A pair of island platforms, allowing a train to enter one side before the previous train leaves the other. As seen at Milton Keynes Central and I'm told quite an old idea on railways.
I'm suprised that NR are not making more of this capacity and reliability improvement for CX services.
I visited yesterday for five minutes. I tried to get one of the guys to clarify the diagrams. To start with he tried to explain it but when I challenged him on his explanation (e.g. "so there is only one track going to and from Cannon Street then") he then said it was only meant to be an artistic drawing to get the messsage across and wasn't an actual representation of what would be built.
ReplyDeleteI got the impression none of the three people had any idea what it was about apart from the building itself and that it was all just an exercise in "consultation" so they could tick the box for the forthcoming planning application. I am going to return my form with "undecided" ticked and comment that one could not sensibly make a decision based on a lack of information and inaccurate diagrams given.
The diagram on the old London Connections site are quite helpful:
ReplyDeletehttp://londonconnections.blogspot.com/2008/07/thameslink-programme-illustrated.html
It would still be useful to see a plan for the Bermondsey Flyunder.
So is the aim that all paths for Cannon St, Thameslink, CX and London Bridge terminating are sorted out at junctions around Bermondsey? Presumably that would also require remodelling of track and signalling on the viaduct to London Bridge, as Down Up and Reversible lines will change?
Is London Bridge Walk going to be kept?
ReplyDeleteWent to LBG today to have a look. I agree with a previous comment that it seems to be a box ticking presence only.
ReplyDeleteThe map with the big red Thameslink lines must have been commissioned by FCC as when seen close up there are in fact two very thin grey lines alongside them, so the red lines do in fact only touch two platform edges of one island. The low resolution of the version in the blog makes this impossible to see.
Anon @ 0821
ReplyDeleteCX will essentially operate in exactly the same way as it does today - two tracks through Borough Market with four platforms either side at London Bridge/Waterloo East.
There's no point adding more tracks through Borough Market specifically for Charing Cross services, since CX station is used to full capacity already.
Ian @ 18 May 2011 19:51
ReplyDeleteand
Anon @ 18 May 2011 08:21
The key capacity constraint is due to stationary (and decelerating /accelerating) trains at the platforms especially where there has been a long distance since the previous stop or there are large dwell times at the stations due to large numbers of passengers getting on or off. This leads to slow running speeds in the entire area.
As the trains are always intended to be moving (rather than stopped) over the new viaduct, the 2 tracks can carry more trains than CX can handle.
At the moment the capacity constraint is the number of trains through platform 6 to CX.
Even without rebuilding LB the new viaduct will improve capacity and journey times to CX
@timbeau (23:29):
ReplyDeletelittle-used track with no platform next to platform 6 - there is no such thing. The line sees a constant procession of trains during rush hour, which you can observe while waiting on platform 6. The plan effectively just provides a platform face for the up fast line.
@pedantic:
It is not currently known which other services will need to be cut - as I have stated on here several times, it is believed that the Arun Valley service (1 up, 1 down) will go - hints have been dropped and the morning service duplicates a Brighton train all the way from Three Bridges.
Yes, I picked up on the hints but it is not known. The Thameslink Programme is full of plans, rumours, last minute changes of plans etc. Remember also that a lot of people are involved - TOCs, Network Rail and ultimately DfT. Relying on one source is hopeless unless known to be absolutely reliable. For example FCC have maintained for years that their trains will not be able to run through London Bridge from 2013 onwards. When challenged they insisted that they were correct. Network Rail on the other hand insisted that nothing had been decided. We now know that Thameslink trains will serve London Bridge station until 2015 - and of course from 2018 onwards. I could give other examples - whether or not King's Lynn will be served by Thameslink is a real classic.
ReplyDeleteOn Thursday I spoke to Alex on the stand. He said he would mention that the platform diagram is confusing and possibly inaccurate (apparently the solid blue lines represent platform edges. I pointed out that the diagram as displayed would then suggests 4 Thameslink lines).
ReplyDeleteAlex said proper plans will be made available on their website when planning permission is submitted (June?). These will also show how the existing platforms 1 to 6 will feature in the new London Bridge and include passenger flow modelling amongst many other things.
Alex also seemed to think that the existing end platform access will be retained for platforms 1 to 6, in addition to new escalator/lift access from the new concourse. The general idea seems to be to build in as much flexibility as possible. Especially as passenger flows may radically change once the new entrances are open.
Alex is also expecting that there will be more consultation as part of the planning process.
I was travelling through London Bridge yesterday and it amazes me they didn't build the Bermondsey fly under first.
ReplyDeleteIf this was in place now then they could extract Thameslink trains from CX trains and avoid the awkward crossover south of London Bridge and thus enable them to put more trains through on the terminating platforms as there would be more paths south of the station.
T33
ReplyDeleteThere is no point in separating TL and CX trains east of London Bridge until there are more than two tracks through Borough Market Junction (unless you are going to go through the complications of resignalling the tracks for bidirectional operation - probably too expensive for what would be a temporary fix).
Timbeau
ReplyDeleteThere is a point. It means that the approaches to London Bridge Terminus platforms would have a fly-over junction with Thameslink Trains and thus enable more services into the Terminus when the platform capacity is reduced